PZL Swidnik won 2.8 Billion bid
December 21, 2009
Manila- The Philippine Air Force has officially ordered eight (8) W-3 Sokół combat utility helicopter from manufacturer WSK-PZL Świdnik S.A of Poland in a deal worth two billion eight hundred fifty seven million eight hundred sixty four thousand six hundred twenty five pesos (P2,857,864,625.18). Defense Secretary Norberto B. Gonzales announced the award for the combat utility helicopter during the weekend.
The W-3WA Sokół (falcon) made its first flight on July 30, 1992 and has a capacity for two crew and twelve passengers. The W-3WA has been certified by US FAR Pt 29 standards granted in May 1993 and European certification granted in December 1993.
"This is the culmination of our negotiation with the supplier. Secretary Teodoro approved the negotiated procurement of P3 billion worth of combat utility helicopters last June after two successive failure of bidding process." Secretary Gonzales said.
"The project has been two years overdue and I think its about time" says Gonzales after awarding the contract to Warsaw based helicopter manufacturer.
The budget for the combat utility helicopter (CUH) project had been released by Malacanang as early as 2007 but no firm has submitted bid proposal according to specifications and budget in two succeeding bids. The budget was part of the P5-billion modernization fund for 2007 aimed to replaced UH-1H Huey helicopters in the Air Force Fleet.
“PZL was found to have the best possible offer based on the budget so after extensive negotiation we awarded it to them” said Gonzales.
The Department of Defense is also acquiring P3 billion worth of night capable attack (NCAH) helicopters, whose bidding had also failed twice. Gonzales said that a negotiated procurement with the US Department of Defense for the purchase of second-hand attack helicopters with the same night capability is already in the works and they are hoping to seal the deal before President Arroyo's term end.
The P3 billion fund was originally part of the P5 billion budget released by President Arroyo for the purchase of combat utility and night-capable attack helicopters that formed part of the AFP Capability Upgrade Program. Additional budget of 1 billion was appropriated by the President this year adding more fund to the project.
A total of 34 priority items are included in the first phase of the re-prioritized AFP CUP shopping list, 62 in Phase 2, and 39 items in Phase 2-B.
Technical data for PZL Swidnik W-3
Engine: 2 x PZL-10V turboshaft, rated at 662kW, main rotor diameter: 15.7m, length with rotors turning: 18.79m, fuselage length: 14.21m, height: 4.2m, take-off weight: 6400kg, empty weight: 3630kg, cruising speed: 238km/h, hovering ceiling, IGE: 3200m, range: 745km, payload: 2100kg,
December 21, 2009
Manila- The Philippine Air Force has officially ordered eight (8) W-3 Sokół combat utility helicopter from manufacturer WSK-PZL Świdnik S.A of Poland in a deal worth two billion eight hundred fifty seven million eight hundred sixty four thousand six hundred twenty five pesos (P2,857,864,625.18). Defense Secretary Norberto B. Gonzales announced the award for the combat utility helicopter during the weekend.The W-3WA Sokół (falcon) made its first flight on July 30, 1992 and has a capacity for two crew and twelve passengers. The W-3WA has been certified by US FAR Pt 29 standards granted in May 1993 and European certification granted in December 1993.
"This is the culmination of our negotiation with the supplier. Secretary Teodoro approved the negotiated procurement of P3 billion worth of combat utility helicopters last June after two successive failure of bidding process." Secretary Gonzales said."The project has been two years overdue and I think its about time" says Gonzales after awarding the contract to Warsaw based helicopter manufacturer.
The budget for the combat utility helicopter (CUH) project had been released by Malacanang as early as 2007 but no firm has submitted bid proposal according to specifications and budget in two succeeding bids. The budget was part of the P5-billion modernization fund for 2007 aimed to replaced UH-1H Huey helicopters in the Air Force Fleet.
“PZL was found to have the best possible offer based on the budget so after extensive negotiation we awarded it to them” said Gonzales.
The Department of Defense is also acquiring P3 billion worth of night capable attack (NCAH) helicopters, whose bidding had also failed twice. Gonzales said that a negotiated procurement with the US Department of Defense for the purchase of second-hand attack helicopters with the same night capability is already in the works and they are hoping to seal the deal before President Arroyo's term end.
The P3 billion fund was originally part of the P5 billion budget released by President Arroyo for the purchase of combat utility and night-capable attack helicopters that formed part of the AFP Capability Upgrade Program. Additional budget of 1 billion was appropriated by the President this year adding more fund to the project.A total of 34 priority items are included in the first phase of the re-prioritized AFP CUP shopping list, 62 in Phase 2, and 39 items in Phase 2-B.
Technical data for PZL Swidnik W-3
Engine: 2 x PZL-10V turboshaft, rated at 662kW, main rotor diameter: 15.7m, length with rotors turning: 18.79m, fuselage length: 14.21m, height: 4.2m, take-off weight: 6400kg, empty weight: 3630kg, cruising speed: 238km/h, hovering ceiling, IGE: 3200m, range: 745km, payload: 2100kg,
whawhawhat? PAF actually bought helicopter from a distant country whom we don't have actual relations? Why didn't we buy from the US?
ReplyDeleteDoes the Philippines want to destroy its relationship with the US? Why don't we buy 10 black hawks instead? or even Apaches?
This is surprisingly stupid
We have to rely on the capabilities of the acquired chopper, it doesn't mean that only us made choppers are good but for your info all of the US planes and choppers that are being eyeing to the Philippines are basically refurbished ones, these PZL choppers are all brand new and fit to our terrain.
DeleteMr MJB, the problem is the money!
DeleteMR. MJB,
Deleteit seems that you were born yesterday.....
Poland is strongly connected to the US is basically the same as buying from the US so now worries. Besides it is a matter of price and surprisingly quality...
Deletemr mjb just drink ur glass of milk everyday.. it might help develop ur brains..
DeleteI sadly have to agree with MJB
Deletethe SOKOL W3WA is not combat proven
the UH-1 or AH-64 even if "second hand" are combat proven birds, besides these "second hand" craft ARE still in active service so spare parts are available
what i would have wanted the "air force" to consider was getting an AC130 Spectre or fingers crossed AC130 spooky
Mr. Anonymous (Mar 10, 2012 06:26AM): Please read again. "CUH" means combat utility Helicopter". As such, it is a utility equipment, not a "combat unit".
DeleteMJB we dont need APACHES and black hawks, we are not in a war like the Iraq war or against another conventional army. If you want advanced helis go fund the PAF. Magpasalamat nalang tayo at naka bili tayo ng matitinong equipment kapalit sa mga nabubulok at pinaglumaan nating mga gamit.
DeleteSokols are mainly developed from the Mil MI-2 Hopelite; although the sokols may look unorthodox to us; most "pseudo-intellects" here are not yet updated that much; pzl has already made combat tests with sokols in poland and have shown positive results; for those pseudo-intellect pinoys who's hesitant about its combat capabilities watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYoCd6YSwMg
DeleteCongratulations to the PAF for its intelligent decision to purchase cost-efficient, combat/utility-capable helis! Most importantly, this deal shows that our bondage to expensive, used US-made military equipment finally seem to be a memory of the past.
DeleteTo MJB, have fun playing your PlayStation!
Bakit kaya tayo ang bumibili lagi? bakit kaya ang gobyerno natin ayaw gumawa ng paraan..na magkaroon tayo ng pagawaan ng motor para may roon tayong tanke,eroplano,barko at sasakyan..lagi nalang tayong bumibili sa labas kahit karayom galing sa labas! anong klasing pamahalaan mayroon tayo? puro naman magaling mang englis kahit sa tv,radyo at babasahin puro nalang englisan akala mo americano ang kausap ay tayo naman pinoy rin!...tsk! tsk!..gumising na tayo niloloko tayo ng ating mga namumono na magaling uminglis..sige kayo rin.. 8b ang pinaguusapan dito magkano kaya ang sa mga magaling uminglis ang komisyon..
DeleteWe have to be rich first before we can actually do that. The reality is we can only buy what we can afford. Otherwise, we will just continue dreaming.
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ReplyDeleteWith these,they can Deal a Lethal Blow to the NPA,Abu sayaff and possibly the magdalo Rebels if extensive cheating in the 2010 polls will arise through renewed coup attempts similar to that of the late 1980s,even though if They`re armed.
ReplyDeleteYou Better think very carefully Mr!. It is definitely the right choice for the DND to award PZL the contract, beside We are an still in the Developing Country Stage so it is prudent and wise to choose and buy the new CUH Combat Utility Helicopter PZL W-3 Helicopter of Poland.. Lets just hope for the best that one day Our country may buy Advance Weapons in the Future..
ReplyDeleteHow about the maintenance? Will spares from Polski be readily available as those coming from Uncle Sam's?
ReplyDeletePHILIPPINES is not a poor nation our overseas contract worker remitted their income around a billion dollars why not buy CHINOOK HELICOPTER and
ReplyDeleteSUPER COBRA attack helicopter
The Philippine air force Must Consider those British-made Military helicopters like the westland sea king and the westland lynx as well as the agusta-westland merlin in the 2020s.
ReplyDeletemajority owner of pzl swidnik is agusta- westland
DeleteHow I wish for a military regime
ReplyDeleteTHATS WHAT THEY CAN AFFORD THATS WHY THEY CHOOSE THE POLISH HELICOPER
ReplyDeleteI just can't understand why there are People who are wishing DND should have awarded the CUH Bid to the likes of AgustaWestland, Boeing, or Lockheed Martin who offered their Military Helicopter bid to the DND! First of all these Defense Companies We all know of and known through out the rest of the World, their product are too much expensive for our DND to award lets just hope that someday our Philippine economy will progress to a state that our Peso Value can match their expectation of us buying their expensive products but for now I can definitely say that our boys of the AFP are desperately in need of such a fully armed Combat Utility Helicopter right now! and It is just right that the DND awarded PZL Swidnik to supply our Philippine Air Force 8 W-3WA fully armed combat Sokol (Falcon) Helicopters and start delivery at earliest possible they can so that our troops will know that their DND is doing their best get them the best equipment which our government can afford and buy.. Our boys in the field are in dire need of new military equipments they need to fight these disruptive and uncivilised Rebels Insurgents to all I know is they want to establish Communism and Muslim separate Indepedence State of their own.
ReplyDeleteCan't believe PAF would acquire this,I will have more faith to upgraded HUEY's or second-hand blackhawks; their more reliable and proven in theatres of conflict.
ReplyDeleteHow I wish you damn wankers would do some proper research before mouthing off about what helicopters you want the AFP to purchase.
ReplyDeleteThose birds you people have mentioned don't come cheap(costs of the choppers mentioned regularly run into 15+++ million USD per unit, without maintenance support), and they will never fit our current operational(those mentioned would regularly cost 20+ thousand USD to fly PER HOUR) and acquisition budget. If you want that budget to get increased, start writing your local "honorable" congressmen and say that the AFP and it's budget is an important election platform for you.
When our government leaders realize that people want to see support for the AFP, then we'll actually get something of a decent budget.
Please refrain from referring to the Attack Helicopter (AH) project as "NCAH". The NCAH and AH projects are completely different projects. The quantities are different (8 for AH, 6 for NCAH) . . . the Authorized Budgets for Contract are different (P3B for AH, P1.2B for NCAH) . . . and most important of all, the NCAH project was actually cancelled for procedural irregularities. The AH project actually went ahead the whole nine yards, and ended in accordance with law and procedure, albeit as a failed bid.
ReplyDeleteI must amend the statement above . . . its 14 helicopters for AH, not 8. Details here: http://www.timawa.net/forum/index.php?topic=16182.0
ReplyDeletebuy from the US?...hahaha...United States always sell us their military equipment on a higher price...even though we are the closest ally in asia...Apache is very expensive as well as black hawks...magipon muna tayo ng dollars...so now sa peso muna tayo...why don't we try PZL Sokol ...after all,gagamitin naman yan sa mga insurgencies eh...lets focus on eliminating them first...
ReplyDeleteThere is also another variant of the Pzl Sokol called the Gluszec (Wood Grouse) A very super armed Combat Utility Helicopter which Pzl Swidnik is currently producing for the Polish Army!. I say the DND should also consider this Helicopter and set another budget for that armed combat helicopter!. =)
ReplyDeleteAnd If some of you are wishing that the DND should have award the contract to Defense companies who sells the likes of Super Lynx, AW101 Merlin, Chinooks, and NH90 well you just have to wait until 2025 I think our Government and Country will progress to First World Status and Peso can match these Defense Companies selling price of their Defense products Hah! How about that Mr. MJB =)
ReplyDeleteso iba un AH-1W SUPER COBRA? tuloy ba un ? dun sa early e sa 2010 makukuha na nten un super cobra..
ReplyDeleteso we have 4-6 Super cobra to come is that sure?
at sure 8 W-3 Sokol.
im so confused
"These 8 helicopters from Poland are part of an upgrade in our internal security to fight the communist insurgency in the south...Horizon 2 will take effect starting 2011 in which territorial air defense capability will be upgraded, including the aquisition of a fleet of brand new modern fighter jets..."
ReplyDelete"That's right, besides the 8 utility combat heicopters from Poland, the PAF are also in the process of aquirring an additional 6 night fighting capable attact helicopters, all in support of the internal security to end the decade long conflict in the south...Horizon 2 or Phase 2 will be the territorial defense upgrade which includes the aquisition of a fleet of brand new modern fighter jets which will happen not until 2012..."
ReplyDeleteWala kang alam sa pakikidigma Mr. MJB. Di lahat nadadaan sa technology. Tell that to the Russians when they engaged F-16's with there Mig-21's. At ano ngayon kung sa Poland tayo bumili? US will not give a frakking damn. Masyado ka lang nababading sa mga Kano. sheessh!
ReplyDeleteFor the measly budget of P2.8 billion (roughly USD 60 million) our AFP was able to acquire 8 new Combat utility choppers complete with logistics support, training, and delivery. USD 7.5 million for a chopper w/ specs similar to a UH-60 Blackhawk (of course Blackhawks has more hardpoints because it can be an gunship as well). But hell, the bid only requires Utility helicopter. Polish Sokol's has already proven it's capability in Iraq. To our DND, good job in finding a good deal. Who knows, kapag nakaluwag-luwag ang Pinas, Sokol W-3WA will replace our very old US UH-1 Hueys. And kudos also to PZL Swidnik!
Horizon 2 will take place when all internal threats are finished. And when H2 begins, our AFP will not buy modern jets immediately. They invest in training because our soldiers (especially our pilots) has a LLLOOONNNGGG way to catch up.
ReplyDeleteThe CUP (capability upgrade program) is aimed to modernize AFP until 2024. It's not just about buying new things for our existing AFP inventory, but to be (more or less) be at trend with the current military technology. That's why don't expect JAS 39 Gripens or Dassault Rafale's on 2010 to 2012. Yes, PAF annual modernization budget can buy 3-5 of these modern jets, but our PAF crew doesn't have to know-how to operate, troubleshoot, and maintain these aircraft. Even our PN still dont know how to fix an OTO Melara-Breda gun on there Peacock-class ship. We still don't have enough budget. And provided if we have the money, we're still not ready for the new technology.
Mag-aral muna tayo. Paghandaan kasi sayang kung babagsak lang ang eroplano dahil sa pilot error. Training, training, training. And for the meantime, AFP should focus on eradicating the rebels. That way, at least we have a strong nation. "One army, One nation" ika nga.
Since the DND had already awarded PZL Swidnik S.A. of Poland 8 Pzl W-3WA Falcon (Sokol) Armed version combat utility helicopters, maybe the DND should also consider the possiblity of procurement of MiG-29M2 Fulcrum-F standards 24 to 48 of these old Russian Offensive jets..
ReplyDeleteHey,I'm polish ,some of you guys have no idea about our PZL & helicopters made by.PZL right now is owned by Sikorsky,american company.Check out new PZL helicopter named Black Hawk.
ReplyDeleteNew model made by PZL S70i Black Hawk see pics http://fakty.interia.pl/galerie/polska/polski-black-hawk/zdjecie/duze,1227159,1,269
ReplyDeleteMabuhay ang Pilipinas. This is for the best interest of the Philippines. To you MJB, I don't know what's your background is but if you're a Filipino, better go back to your history books( authored by various authors of different backgrounds) and I think it will change your view of the USA. My point of view for you to ponder, USA's best and only friend is its own interest.
ReplyDeletebetter if they acquire PZL W-3PL
ReplyDeletewe need combat helicopter and cargo plane than fighter jets
ReplyDeleteand the best ah. is the ah1-cobra. its low cost and high performance is impressive
gising Juan de la Cruz, dahil sa kurakot puro flying tin cans ang air force mo. sa ating mga kapatid na sundalo, mabuhay kayo dahil sa kaparingot na binibigay ng gobyerno sa inyong kapakanan at sa pagdepensa ng bayan, tuloy pa rin kayo sa inyong tungkulin, kayo ay tunay na mga bayani. ibagsak yang mga pulitikong puro kurakot ang nasa isip.
ReplyDeleteFor Westernphiles who have reservations about acquiring equipment made by a former Soviet satellite state, consider these:
ReplyDelete1) PZL Swidnik is now owned by AgustaWestland. PZL Mielec is owned by Sikorsky. The two companies saw great value in buying the two PZLs from the Polish government.
2) Poland is now a full-fledged member of NATO and is a staunch US ally. Which explains why Uncle Sam hasn't complained about the purchase. :-D
Its still Is A Polish Military Product! Gheez!! I Wonder who are these People claiming that even PZL is already bought by Agusta Westland and Sikorsky I don't care.. It is still a Polish product get it!..
ReplyDeleteFor now, The DND should now focus on making a Deal with the US Marine Corps in buying their AH-1W Super Cobra Attack Helicopters.. It is very important that our Philippine Army ground troopers will that they can count on the Philippine Air Force of having and operating a Squadron of 12 deadly attack helicopters especially the AH-1W Super Cobra is equipped with night capability combat system and attack the insurgents day and night even adverse weather conditions as well..
ReplyDeleteAno kaya, di ba mas maganda na mapaunlad muna ang ekonomiya? Pag me pera ang kaban ng bayan, madali lang bumili ng mga ito. Kaso mo, mga pulitiko, hindi naman kapakanan ng sambayanan ang unang inaatupag kundi ang kung papaano mahawakan ang kapangyarihan (kung pu-puwede lang, hanggang sa matapos ang mundo). GISING BAYAN KO (at puwede ba, hindi ako komunista, AKO AY MAKABAYAN)
ReplyDeleteSec. Gonzales Gusto ho sana naming malaman kung kelan darating yong 8 CUH PZL-W-3A SOKOL galing poland? Meron na bang delivery date? Paalala lang ho 2 year delay na yong project na ito. Kung maalala nyo noon december sinabi nyo ito...“PZL was found to have the best possible offer based on the budget so after extensive negotiation we awarded it to them”.
ReplyDeleteBakit ngayon wala paring delivery date natin kailangan ho ng AIR FORCE natin yan! At bakit ho yong mga tao nyo ay nag pupush para magkaroon ng deal ot contrata ang COBRA...!
Mr.Secretary Paki Tignan naman ito. Dalyang taon na ho itong delay.
kung napanood nyo po yung proof of life, ginamit po doon yung pzl w3 sokol
ReplyDeleteseveral night attack helicopters for the Air Force are already due for delivery. maybe 14 attack helicopters were reconditioned Cobra combat helicopters which the Defense department purchased for more than P3 billion from Israel
ReplyDeletedapat mag order yung dnd ng kahit 25 dessault 2000 o f-16.may pera naman tayo kinukurakot lang!!!!!!!!!!!!!Yung mga nagsasabi wala tayong pea mga bulag!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDelete(The Philippine Star) Updated May 16, 2010 12:00nn
ReplyDeleteOutgoing Defense Secretary Norberto Gonzales is rushing the acquisition of one or two multi-role vessels through a government-to-government contract at a cost of from P5 billion to P10 billion. Gonzales said the vessels would likely come from South Korea or Singapore
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cnu my alam ng armament ng bagong mpv`s
ReplyDelete"Same armaments as other ships the PN already has, except the Endurance class or Makaskar do carry 2 missiles..."
ReplyDeletemga basura na lng yan ng poland sinasabi lng nila na binili nila na 2billion bullshit!! baka bigay na lang yan sinasabi lgn nilang binila binulsa na ng mga heneral natin yung pera! nagusapusap na yung mga lider ng poland at mga general natin dyan! isang malaking coruption yan!
ReplyDeleteWhoever you are my Grandfather was a Major inour Military(Philippine Air Force) so don't insult our Armed forces unless you are willing to pick-up a gun and defend our 7000+ islands! Please go back to school! and get Really educated!
Deleteand as of this date May 14,2013 the W3 Sokols(Falcon) are already in the Hands of the PAF, thus far they look real neat! Fully armed and ready to kick-ass!
Deletesir dahan-dahan sa pagbibintang!sa palagay mo ky yung ganyang bago ibibigay?hindi muna binasa binili means may perang ginamit ok!sk anong basura gumamit cla niyan sa iraq!yan ang hirap sa ktulad mo gumawa ng maganda gov.corruption agad sasabihin mo!
ReplyDeletemas ok yan kesa sa mga gawa ng russian look karamihang bumabaksak sa eroplano made in russia!
ReplyDeleteMarami nman talaga tayong pera, pero sigurado puro batikos lng aabutin pag bumili pa ng iba...
ReplyDeleteDun sa mga nagsasabi na bad deal ang purchase na ito, do your research first. Check the budget and understand what our government can afford.
ReplyDeleteIf you want the government to high-end products, pay your taxes well. Even if nagpapadala ng pera dito OFWs, di naman diretsong napupunta sa gobyerno iyon. Not even enough to plug our budget deficit. Study economics muna.
"OUR GOVN'T CAN ONLY PURCHASE WHAT IT CAN AFFORD...IT'S BETTER THAN NOTHING AT ALL!"
ReplyDeleteOur AFP need for the new technology to a braist to our neighbors that our AFP personel to be proud ot it and make a high moral... So we need to support to our AFP in this dream that someday we have a capability to protect our sky land and sea...and i hope someday we can build of our own...like battles ship we have already a ship building yard at cebu... So the government must focus on this endeavor and invest for our own technology for the future....kailan tayo mag umpisa dapat ngayon na... think of it....we cannot relie always to the outside world we must have of our own... and the binifits of this is job job job...so if so many jobs the government collect more money...our budjet deficits is manageable only 3.6% of our GDP ( gross domistic product... in Europe Before you will be a member of EU you must have your budjet deficit is not more than a 3% of your GDP....So our country a lot of money kailngan lng natin magtulungan sa aspeto na to...i am the one of a million filipinos working abroad..a ng perang pinapadala namin sa bansa natin ay ginagamit para panggastos sa atin its means if you buy something you pay taxes to the government is called indirect tax...So mga kababayan mag focus tayo na tulungan natina ang bansa para naman tayo ay ririspituhin ng ating mga kapitbahay..para ristohin tayo kailangan natin na maging malakas at saan galing ang lakas na yan kundi sa atin Arm Forces of The Philippines.....i always support to our AFP from the ground personel up to the higher ups...thank you and good day....
ReplyDeletepag nag comment ka akala mo may alam ka.....mahirap ang maging military ano?malaya ka kaya ngayon kung wala ang AFP?
ReplyDeleteI think this is the best move for our aging PAF. Kung tutuusin mas maganda na bumili tayo ng new equipment rather kumuha ng second hand reconditioned. Kung ano ang kaya muna ng budget at reliable yun ang dapat bilhin. Kudos sa mga magpush nito. At least di nasayang ang budget.
ReplyDeleteNational Defense is also looking at Canada or France for the acquisition of fighter jets.
ReplyDeletecanada has CF-18, while france has Dassault Mirage 2000, Dassault Mirage F1 and Dassault Rafale. which aircraft is the best among them ?
To anonymous of june 3 2010 12:29 PM
ReplyDeletekung ang tinatanong mo kung may alam ako....ang sagot ko sayo may alam ako.....ngayon malabo ang comment mo your last paragraph mo...
Ngayon kung mag blog ka man lng at i scrutenize mo ang kagaya ko...wala akong time para makipag talo sayo at ito ang sasabihin ko sayo ang lahat na ofw ay kinukuhaan ng documentary stamp tax pag nag remit kami ng pera dyan sa pinas...at sasabihin ko sayo i am a proffesional OFW with the degree of (BSCE) at register ako as RESIDENCE TECHNICAL OFFICER d2 kung saan ako ngayon.....kaya KUNG ANG TANONG MO NA MAY ALAM AKO....may alam ako im a reserve officer of the AFP....
ano ng balita sa Pzl combat helicopter natin na ideliver na ba?...
ReplyDeleteTo: june 3 2010 12:29 PM....
Ang tanong mo kung may alam ako?... ang sagot ko sayo marami akong alam ok......ang mga OFW na kagaya ko once na nagpapadala kami ng pera dyan sa banasa natin...take note kinakaltasan ito ng documentary stamp tax... so saan napupunta ito?.... ito ay napupunta sa gobyerno natin.... and for your info i am a profesional OFW with the deegre of (BSCE)at register d2 kung saan ako ngayon as RESIDENCE TECHNICAL OFFICER......So siguro nasagot na kita ok....
hay naku na cancel ang biding sa ah1 cobra ,.
ReplyDeletewala parin attack hellicopter ang pinas ..
"Siyempre, what do you expect...Surprise nga ako na nakalusot itong SOKOL deal sa bidding!"
ReplyDeletebaka pati ang sokol ma cancel din . . wag nman sana !!!
ReplyDeleteI think President Noy-noy Aquino will have no question for the acquisition of 8 AgustaWestland Swidnik CUH-3WA Falcon Helicopters the most We all expect the first four delivery of 8 CUH-3WA Falcon helicopters sometime in September or November this 2010 As for the 14 AH-1S Huey Cobra Helicopters which Sec. Gonzales tries to negotaite the deal through Israel Defense Force/ Air Force for the possible purchase of their AH-1S Tzefa (Viper) Attack Helicopter is questionable because its a midnight deal gone wrong.. But if the Aquino Administration find no fault in the Deal with Israel then it could be the best advantage for the Philippine Air Force to buy and use these 14 Attack helicopters to end the Insurgency problem because Israel had put a lot of new technology to those Attack helicopters for solely the purpose of defeating the insurgents after all the Israelis are already experts in Counter Insurgency Warfare operation!.
ReplyDeletewell pzl sokol is brand new compared to blackhawk paf good. ika nga ni jimmy santos ay ang sokol ay mura na nauutang pa! remember
ReplyDeleteim a korean national i agree pzl is a good choice and i agree to jimmy santos qoute. mura na nauutang pa! i wish that paf will purchase second hand kfhir from israel as interim jets
ReplyDeleteim andrew from quezon city sana maka bili lang tayo ng kfhir jets pang samantalang jet fighter habang wala pa tayong pambili ng modern jets buti pa ang koreano may pagpapahalaga sa air force natin.
ReplyDeleteSigned, Sealed,but not yet delivered ung 6-8 brand new Night capable attack Cobra helicopters. Thanks for Mr. Teodoro for blocking buying of 2nd hand. Bahala na di marami kaysa walang silbi o pagluman na lng. Kung modernize natin dapat bago di ung kalangawin.
ReplyDeletebumili kayo ng mga hi tech na gamit para walang gagawin mga abu sayaff at npa kundi magtago tapos iaair raid niyo araw araw ewan ko lang kung hindi sila maubos
ReplyDeleteEastern European technology, mostly influenced by the Soviets are known for their tough ruggedness and low maintenance. While Western technology, although much more advanced, requires more maintenance.
ReplyDeleteI think this is the best choice for our budget because we certainly cannot afford to spend so much more just on maintenance.
all i can say is our AFP has lost its glory! due to stupid corruption and crab mentality our nation is now far behind na with other ASEAN nations i rather approve this polish helicopter than nothing at all.Other nations well laugh at us thinking we are all like patrick starfish and spongebob in choosing the right equipment for all the branches.Follow singapores army! a small nation but arm with the tooth of a tiger! i hope the glory days of our AFP and of our nation comes back...
ReplyDeletei have a question...do we have ground-to-air missiles? anti aircraft guns etc? coz i think every nation has one of it for strong deterrence in case the airforce losses all the jets in a war as a added protection...lolz^^
ReplyDeleteThe Department of National Defense has began negotiations of a possible Deal with Chengdu Aircraft Industries Corporation (CAC)Of China!. For buy of 48 JF-17 Thunders!..
ReplyDeleteThis Is Absolutely Surprising Indeed! We The Filipinos will buy Chinese built Multi Role Fighters JF-17 Thunders CAC Of China!?!.. This I got to believe!.. =)
ReplyDeleteWhen was this!?.. Where is the contract?. I cannot believe the DND will buy Chinese built JF-17 Thunders!? Whats going into the head of Sec. Voltaire Gazmin?..
ReplyDeletePlease see attached link it the web page for the AFP Modernization. Lets vote for Philippine Air Force to be the prioty of the AFP Modernization this has been long overdue.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.afpmodernization.mil.ph/
IS THIS TRUE!?.. Philippine Airforce will get two squadrons of chinese built Jf-17 Thunders!?.. Where is the link reagarding this news!?!..
ReplyDeleteNOOO!!! This is not True!!!. The DND should buy the JAS-39 Gripen-NG!!! 36 Single seats+12 two seater Multi-Role Fighter Jets Is the right choice they should procure!!!.. Give Philippine Airforce the chance to fly with the latest 21st Century Technology Fighter Jets!!! NO! Chinese junk JF-17 Thunders!...
ReplyDeleteAirForce!!! GO!!! Thank you for your bravery and sacrifice.... more plane to come.
ReplyDeleteguys may balita na ba kayo kung ano ano na ang nabili natin sa modernization natin...particularly sa navy at airforce natin with picture para makita natin kung anong klase eto?...at anong site eto kung mayroon man or link..
ReplyDeletemaaaford lang ng bansa ay mga 4th generation aircraft...
ReplyDeleteWhere Is the link regarding the procurement of said squadrons of JF-17 Thunders Or JAS39 Gripens!?.. Gusto ko malaman alin ang totoo!!!. I am hoping Department Of National Defense philippines will procure for Philippine Airforce to operate a Squadrons of 36 Single Seat + 12 Dual Seats JAS39 Gripens Or simply designated as F-39C Griffins (Flying Dragons.
ReplyDeleteThe procurement of the gripens are not true.
ReplyDeleteDND should procure the Eurofighter Typhoon! For the Philippine Airforce! Our Airforce needs three combat squadrons comprising 24 each! This Is my Opinion!
ReplyDeleteThe procurement of the jas39 gripens are not true.
ReplyDeletepero sana jas 39 yung mapili kaysa sa jf-17 na mga basura....
pinopush nga ng pakistan at china na mabinta ang 49 jf-thunder ...
I'm all for W-3 SOKOL Heli,these are standard NATO equipment it saw action in the Balkans,1'st Persian gulf war as well as Afghan and Iraq war.it has the upgraded Nav and fire systems with the next generation smart rockets,the 8-10 soldier capacity makes it ideal special ops taking the fight to the enemy.I believe 14 Cobras are in the same procurement,that's a good balance of fire power and multi purpose helicopters
ReplyDeleteas a korean national livin here in your country is better you buy kfhir jets from isarael cheap and very good i repeat again coming from the mouth of famous pilipino actor jimmy santos the kfhir jets is mura na nauutang pa!
ReplyDeletedi kaya masyadong matanda ang kfhir jets mag kabatcka bach lang cla ng f5..
ReplyDeletebakit bibili ng jets sa china at pakistan eh alam natin kalaban sila i appeal to the philipine air force dont buy jets from china chinese people are enemy common sense ok better buy a kfhir jets or gripen than a junk jets from pakistan and china hoy gising.....!
ReplyDeletehoy abnoy wala nga pera pinas bibili ng jets galing china kahit alam natin kalaban bobo talaga mga opisyal ng air force natin alam na kalaban sa spratly gagamitin jf thunder eh alam ng china ang kalidad ng mga bulok na jets na yan ang masasabi ko mga BOBO kayo......1
ReplyDeleteany updates about the brand new attack helicopter project?
ReplyDeletegood thing if we could acquire some boeing AH-6i to add light attack helicopters for our air force.
ReplyDeleteim your friendly kapit bahay jimmy its better have a kfhir jets than nothing at all ok remember the saying if we dont have a kfhir jet we die ok
ReplyDeleteThe DND and Philippine Airforce are now on a negotiation procurement of 24 to 36 F/A-18C/D Hornets! This is it People! They are not buying JAS39 Gripens Or Eurofighter Typhoon and not even IAI F21 Kfirs, but the Hornets of the United States Marine Corps!!! Semper Fi! Marines! Hah! I knew it; Its going to be an active Hornets of the USMC alright!.. Hahaha!!
ReplyDeleteThe Few, The Proud, The Marines! Aheheh!? AirForce pala!
ReplyDeletesan mo nakuha info. na yan !!! 24 to 36 F/A-18C/D Hornets ??? totoo ???
ReplyDeleteview this.......... http://www.himpapawid.com/forum/30-aircraft/23-philippine-air-force-topline-fighters.html?limit=5&start=5
ReplyDeletehttp://www.himpapawid.com/forum/30-aircraft/180-philippine-air-force.html
ReplyDeleteNegotiations with Israel regarding Cobra Attack helicopters are still on going according to sources within the DND as President Aquino find no problem with the proposed acquisition project.
ReplyDeletePlease note that the NCAH project is officially dead, as one commentator pointed out.
As to source of confusion, It was Secretary Gonzales that said they were pursuing the NCAH acquisitions, perhaps referring to the voided project for reference purposes and better understanding of the media, when it should have been the AH project. We just reiterated what he said. Our apologies then for the inconsistencies.
However, the intent to procure attack helicopters with night capability is still in the books, and that is what is being covered in the direct negotiations with the Israelite.
Secretary Gazmin said that President Aquino intends to add a billion pesos more for this acquisition on top of GMA's additional budget, presumably, for training costs and spare parts.
A peek at the proposal suggests that the choppers are to be delivered bare, without the upgraded avionic parts and guidance systems, whatever that is, and that is now the contention of the negotiations.
From Gazmin's statement, it could be seen as a done deal. A trip to Israel is also in the works to lend credence of our governments interest, perhaps to seal this deal, or negotiate a better terms? Nothing is final yet. Decisions will be made by next year.
...done deal?... na yung pag bili nang w3 sokol's so we are just waiting for it to come here and for the PAF to use it after then?...good mabuti na yan...atleast the PAF now have some good helli's...4 them to use continue that continue the modernization 4 us to become stronger..e tayo na kaya yung pina ka mahina ng military d2 SEasia...last20 year pa yan...
ReplyDeletePH drops $ 73M helicopter deal
ReplyDeleteAgence France-Presse
First Posted 18:27:00 12/07/2010
Filed Under: Government, Graft & Corruption, Military, Philippines - Metro
MANILA, Philippines - The Philippine government said Tuesday it had cancelled a 73 million dollar deal to buy military helicopters following allegations of collusion with a Polish defense contractor.
A formal inquiry found no hard proof of collusion between PZL Swidnik and the defense ministry panel that recommended the award of the contract, but concluded the deal was overpriced, ministry spokesman Eduardo Batac said.
"Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin has approved the recommendation of the board of inquiry to declare a failure of bidding for the attack helicopter acquisition project of the Philippine Air Force," Batac said in a statement.
The deal, approved by the bid committee in September this year, would have seen the Philippines buy seven attack helicopters,
including one with night-vision capability, for 3.2 billion pesos (73 million dollars).
Gazmin also froze the planned acquisition of three billion pesos' worth of combat utility helicopters for the Philippine Navy, for which no contract awards had been made, Batac said.
"We are going to encounter some delays," he said of the Philippine government's efforts to modernise its military equipment, adding that no decision had been taken on how best to proceed.
The Philippines needs the aircraft to fight communist as well as Muslim separatist insurgencies.
Tenders for the air force and navy helicopters were first sought in 2007 under President Benigno Aquino III's predecessor Gloria Arroyo, Batac said.
After a series of failed tenders in 2008 and 2009, when no bids were submitted, the ministry revised the number of units it wanted to buy down from eight to seven, as well as changing payload and engine specifications.
However, only one company made a bid even with the revised requirements, Batac said.
Aquino blocked the entire project and ordered an inquiry in October this year amid allegations the bid committee rigged the rules to favor PZL Swidnik,
the only firm that eventually submitted a bid for the attack helicopters.
"In the course of their investigation, the (inquiry board) did not find 'prima facie' evidence of collusion," Batac said.
"However, the (board) found the (bid committee's) decision to reduce the quantity of attack helicopters that can be acquired from eight to seven... to be unquestionably disadvantageous to the government," he said.
It would have shortchanged the government of 400 million pesos, he added.
sabi ng iba mag haplas nalang kayo ng mantika ng aswang hnd na kailangan ng helicopter sigurado pang environmental friendly yan! oh diba!
ReplyDelete2,8 mld USD ? WOW nice lots of cash
ReplyDeleteThe DND and Philippine Air Force should pursue the deal of the AH-1 Attack Helicopter with night combat capability, and they should further pursue purchase of C-130J Super Hercules 5 of them is enough to operate..
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u2FIfySjvA&feature=related
ReplyDeleteplease watch this video. heto sana ung model na binili ng Pilipinas. khit 2 lang for upgrade.
PZL- Swidnik Delivers Four W-3PL Gluszec helicopters to the Polish Land Forces
ReplyDeleteMonday, February 14, 2011 - AgustaWestland
AgustaWestland, a Finmeccanica company, is pleased to announce that PZL- Świdnik has delivered all of four upgraded W-3PL Głuszec helicopters, a multirole combat version of the W-3 Sokół, to the Polish Land Forces.
PZL- Świdnik and the Polish Ministry of Defence signed a research and development phase contract in 2003 for a prototype W-3PL (Głuszec) helicopter, a modernised version of the Army’s existing helicopter. A second contract was signed in 2006 to upgrade four in service helicopters to W-3PL standard. PZL- Świdnik and the Polish Land Forces are now discussing the possiblility to modernize additional W-3 helicopters to the Głuszec standard.
The multi-role W-3PL Głuszec draws on knowledge gained from the Polish Air Brigade’s experiences on combat missions in Iraq. An in-depth modernization of all the helicopter’s systems was implemented to enhance its capabilities for a range of missions including troop transport, combat search and rescue (CSAR) and armed attack of ground targets.
The helicopter is now equipped with a 4-axis AFCS, engines with FADEC, and an NVG-compatible cockpit with Multi-Function Displays. Navigation equipment package includes INS with GPS, Tacan, VOR/ILS, DME and a digital map. All communication, navigation and weapon systems are now fully integrated. The W-3PL Głuszec is also fitted with self-protection equipment and systems including IFF, RWR, IR warning receiver, chaff and flare dispensers and armour protection for the crew seats, floor and cockpit doors.
Ten fully equipped troops can be transported by the W-3PL on folding seats in utility configuration with the troop commander position equipped with an MFD. For SAR missions the cabin can be fitted with up to four stretchers, medical equipment, rescue hoist and search light. A range of weapon systems integrated with a sight-unit (TV/FLIR, Laser RF and HUD) include rocket launchers, a conformal side pod with 23 mm gun, mine laying system on NATO standard beams and a 12,7mm machine gun in a nose mounted turret.
The Sokół can perform a number of roles including military missions, fire fighting, utility, EMS, law enforcement and VIP/corporate transport.
basta wala ng over pricing and what corrupt people do.
ReplyDeletemuzta na to hind pa tapos?
ReplyDeleteis this done or not yet?
What is best to this Helicopter is its multi-purpose capabilities. It can be a Utility Helicopter or Attack Helicopter. And it is doubled engine unlike cobra. One thing is i don't like, the way it look, it is not cool.
ReplyDeletePlease lang sana huwag pabayaan ang gamit na para sa ikauunlad ng bayan. Sample na lang mga police car ntin sa lansangan. Sayang lang ang pera at buhay pag may bumagsak sa teknikal problems. Tandaan ntin maraming mahihirap na tao dto at mag aaral na walang silid.
ReplyDeletethe sokol's will arive at november...at what about those f-18 c/d's or the mig29 falcrum...based on my source its ahm dalawa lang yung bibilhin...and what about those f-16's from australia?..just conforming guys..ty
ReplyDeleteServed the army for 2 yrs and went back to reserve duties. I do have family members in the Marine corps and Army. Hindi isyu kung san galing ang air assets ng PAF as long as reliable at easily maintained. I understand ang sentiments ng mga nagpu-push ng Blackhawks etc pero kung sobrang mahal kasama ang maintenance, wala ring saysay. Sayang rin lang ang pera sa pagbili dahil eventually mapapabayaan rin ito.
ReplyDeleteIn the art of war, 2 ang focus, either focus on number to overwhelm ang kalaban or strategic advantage gaya ng technology para ma-upset ang anumang difference in numbers. Since we cant have both, we have to be realistic and get what we can maintain and use to its biggest potential.
We need ships and aircrafts to patrol our vast seas and territory and we cant afford na maging mayabang by purchasing high-priced 4th generation craft gaya ng f-16. What we require are low-cost jets such as highly advance trainers that can be use as interim multi-role jets. these cost less in purchase price, maintenance and could provide the needed transition of most of our pilots who have no real experience with high-end fighters since we only had a handful of 60's f-5 that were retired decades ago. these trainer jets such as the m-346, ta-50 etc have longer loiter time to patrol our seas, can carry arms, train new pilots, and consume less fuel.
GOD BLESS Philippines
ReplyDeleteat this time hindi pa natin kakayaning bumuli ng high-end jet fighters bili muna tayo ng sang katutak na KAI T-50 Golden Eagle kahit mga 100 jet trainers at affordable na low cost maintenance pa at ka alyado pa ang gumagawa nito..
T-50 Golden Eagle
Role Advanced trainer, multirole fighter
Manufacturer Korea Aerospace Industries
First flight 20 August 2002[1]
Introduced 22 February 2005[2]
Status Active
Primary user Republic of Korea Air Force
Number built 66+ (158 on order in 2011)
Unit cost US$21 million (2008)[3]
at BARKO as in WARSHIP pwede naman diba katulad ng supercat convert as military craft or warship hight speed pa.,
at baka pwede makipag contract na sa Hanjen shipbuilder dito sa pilipinas contract 100 warship
* Hanjin Heavy Industries
* Hyundai Samho Heavy Industries
* Samsung Heavy Industries
* STX Shipbuilding
* Sungdong Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering
at isang aircraft carrier na second hand from US huh!!..
nagmamahal taga kalayaan group of island in province Palawan, Philippines
may plano ba kayo na bumili ulit ng mag brand new helicopter at kailan?
ReplyDeleteThe defense department must have different alternative in buying military equipment. The defense you will never really to much to one supplier only. When the time come when US Government have a sour relationships with are government they will create embargo in military equipment that we want to buy from them. That way the government look for alternative resources for are military. Europe produce excellent military hardware....
ReplyDeleteNow the Spain and italy was reducing their defense asset so this is the chance that can connect to them and acquire Navy asset of good price if they turn down the perry class frigate,i understand that the PN has purchase Melgem warship but no news it was commission. the fact that Philippine has a money for Defense if really they have will modernized the AFP capability extensively,Foreign International Dollars it goes up to 80 plus billion dollars,what's the used of this money if not used some amount to build up your defense correctly, 45 years old cutter what can this ship do to the defend the country to foreign intruder,Indonesia govt. order to shoot any foreign vessel inter their territory illegally.how about Philippine complain to the UN what UN can do to stop them, the act of war in the spratly is very imminent no one can determine the exact time what the PH can do is prepare the credible firepower to defend the territorial lane.and it was dis appointing to the side of the people announcing about the intention why they purchase the 2nd hamilton class the fact that no armament include again,its a stupid idea to buy or to wait when they are going to give you and thats not the principle of sovereign country they must build up their defense according to the standard of world naval defense.Instead to get the perry Class oliver hazard frigate get this old ship.in fact there are many destroyer in the market complete armament for combat ship it cost only 50 to 60 million dollars and it is brand new,i do not understand how the govt. preferences for the defense posture acquisition.
ReplyDeleteI think our congressmen and senators should donate half of their budget allocations to AFP to upgrade our military or install AIR defense system (ground missiles). Additionally, PNOY must eradicate those corrupt government officials especially those involved in anomalous contract in the government. Keep up the good work PNOY!
ReplyDeleteguyz let ask a question na deliver na ba ung sokol helicopter ntn?
ReplyDeleteang tagal nmn nang sokol heli natin inip nko!!!!
ReplyDeleteIf all Pinoys are honestly reporting their business proceeds, paying their taxes correctly and that the politicians and government officials are not corrupt and don't steal - the PAF can get those planes and helicopters you wish. Start asking your parents how much they earn as opposed to your good life with cars, money for gimmicks, state of the art gadgets, overseas holidays etc. If there are anomalies and lies in their answers - stop dreaming.
ReplyDeleteYung Singapore pagkahirap hirap nung araw at napakaliit na bansa at walang resources tulad ng Pinas. Pero super yaman naman sa ethics ang kanilang government offials at citizens sa pagpapaunlad at pagsupporta sa kanilang bansa kaya kumikita sila ng limpak limpak na salapi at napataas nila ang kanilang standard kaya nakaka-afford sila ng brand new and expensive military hardwares.
ReplyDeletekailan darating ung sokol heli ntn?
ReplyDeletePAF to Get First Delivery of 4 of 8 Brand-New CUH Bought from Poland Next Month
ReplyDeleteMANILA, (PNA) – The Philippine Air Force (PAF) will get the first delivery by the middle of next month of four of eight brand-new combat utility helicopters it ordered from PZL Swidnik of Poland.
Lt. Col. Mike Okol, PAF spokesman, told the Philippines News Agency that the remaining four helicopters will be delivered in November, also this year.
PZL Swidnik is the biggest helicopter manufacturer in Poland. Its main products are the PZL W-3 Sokol and PZL WS-4 helicopters used by the Polish Air Force and other European countries.
The PAF bought the eight Polish-made helicopters at a contract price of P3 billion.
The arrival of four utility combat helicopters is part of the Armed Forces of the Philippines’ modernization program to boost the PAF’s air power, particularly supporting ground troops during combat operations.
The PAF has in its arsenal the reliable UH-1H “Huey” helicopters and the MD-520-MG gunships from the United States.
The Polish company won the bidding to supply the PAF eight brand-new combat utility choppers.
The funds for the purchase of the choppers were part of the AFP modernization budget in 2007.
Okol said the acquisition of these helicopters is timely because the Air Force badly needs helicopters of this type to support government ground forces during combat operations.
The Swidnik helicopter can carry 14 persons, including the pilot and co-pilot and has a maximum speed of 260 kilometers per hour and a range of 745 kilometers non-stop.
It can climb to an altitude of 19,680 feet, more than twice that of the “Huey.”
The Polish-made choppers can be armed with a variety of weapons, air-to-ground rockets, air-to-air missiles, M-60 machine guns and 20-mm cannons.
(PNA)
Simpe logic mga bloggers at pati na sa mga military thinkers natin, why not the Philippines buy ships and fighter jets from CHINA? In that case, wont bully us anymore because they would know now what the we have. Hehehe
ReplyDeletepaki check sa cdr king baka meron na sila... Hehehheeh... Joke... At least ang china gumawa sila ng aircraft at sea craft na maituturing gawa nila... Ung mga binili natin sa US pag hindi tyo sumunod sa gusto nila block nila ung pag bili natin ng parts ng aircraft at sea craft natin.. Tulad nang ginawa nila sa pakistan ayun nabulok lahat ng f16 nila kasi wlng parts.. Hehehehe
ReplyDeletehindi talaga nakakaintindi... civies kasi.
ReplyDeletei have read all your comments since 2009 up to this date,nobody of you notice that China was already in our door steps(Spratlys),in a few days or weeks or months our PH soldiers will seen China's new aircraft carrier roaming in West Phil Sea and ready for war confrontation when they reached our shores,if this happens it would be thousands or even millions of casualties in the first wave of their attack let us be prepared for this worst case scenario as our govenrment has more time in political arenas than upgrading our military capabilities and hardwares.No more time for any nonsense comments do not waste your time as i am saying this as we all know China already gave us a war threat from their "sounds of cannons".
ReplyDeleteThe W-3A Sokols finally arrived after a long wait ...
ReplyDeletebetter we built our own locally made chopper and aircraft to meet our need philippine arm forces can do that we can fund for development.
ReplyDeleteHey! To anonymous(Date:August 22,2012 /6:05pm) It's easy for you to say Build our own Helos, But first we need the Technical know how and Facilities as well as the Capability to Maintain them in good working Condition. I happen to know the Guys in Clark 410th Maintenance wing i think. Would be Good to go, if we had our own CUH, Made by our own people? it would take too long! We need these Helos Now!
Deletethat's what you get when you've been rejected to the bidding twice..I saw two Sokols flying overhead me while passing the Sales Bridge at Villamor this morning and I might say that It's quite a spectacular view to see our airforce showing off their new toys to us. What I mean is, they deserve something new take note "Brand New" not just (a pinaglumaan thingy ni uncle sammy)let's move on just forget the old habit of us wanting something coming from the state side let's just be realistic. And P.S. if you really want to have blackhawk in our military then start paying your taxes now!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDVXbWBk8sY&feature=related
Deleteyou might be considering this news from CNTV featuring the SOKOL heli, etc.